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Actually, as Christians we don't follow any of the laws of Moses. We believe that the New Covenant of Christ's blood fulfilled the old law. Instead we depend on what Jesus taught and what the writers of the New Testament, under divine inspiration of the Holy Spirit wrote. I know that you disagree with what we believe, but that is not germane to the discussion at hand.

What is relevant is that you, Mikey, claimed that by giving to the local Church we are breaking a "COMMANDMENT." Then, you insinuated that giving gifts to our "kin folk" was sinful. All I have asked is for you to provide a cite or cites for those two statements.

On May 25, 2023 at 7:46pm in the thread "Nothing More ADDED NOTHING TAKEN AWAY" you wrote "If you misunderstand what I say ask." I take you as a person of your word, so I'm asking: tell me what "COMMANDMENT" you are referring to that prohibits gifts to the local Church and tell me where you find that giving gifts to others is sinful.

In the same aforementioned thread, at the same time you posted: "Everything I say I mean." If you are so adamant in your convictions, surely there is a Biblical reference that you can offer.

I think that you were mistaken and there is no "COMMANDMENT" prohibiting either of those actions. I am simply attempting to do as you (again, in that same thread and post) said: "If I'm wrong correct me."

Bitter. You pick and choose what MOSES religious laws you participate in.

The 10 commandments.

Seems like you CHRISTIANS still hold onto The LAWS of MOSES. HOW MANY other laws do you Christians hold to that comes from Moses? The laws of Moses was until Jesus.

But you shall seek the place that the Lord your God will choose out of all your tribes to put his name and make his habitation there. There you shall go, and there you shall bring your burnt offerings and your sacrifices, your tithes and the contribution that you present, your vow offerings, your FREEWILL OFFERINGS, and the firstborn of your herd and of your flock.
(DEUT. 12:5�6)

Apparently you make up "COMMANDMENTS" and attempt to shill them off as divinely inspired. Else you would simply cite the Book, chapter and verse that your admonitions came from.

To quote you: "If you can't back it up Biblically your religion is false. You've got to let it go."

Bitter you follow traditions of man Religion..

Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men

Mikey, are you just guessing at this point?

Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent

While I have never made any claim to being very intelligent, I am not "stupid" enough to believe that Jesus's answer to the people who were trying to trick Him about paying taxes is in any way equivalent to a "COMMAND" not to give to one's local Church. If "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's" (Mark 12:17 NASB) is a "COMMAND" to not give gifts to one's "kin folk" than, yes, I suppose I am "stupid."

If it is true that God doesn't care about what people do with their money, which I think it what you meant when you posted "He don't ask for Money he ask for your love." why is it that He gave an as yet uncited "COMMANDMENT" against giving to the local Church? If God doesn't care that I give gifts to my "kin folk" why is that you used that practice as an example of Christians misbehavior?

Color me "stupid" if you will, but it wasn't me who made claims as to what is commanded in the Bible without being able to provide a single verse to back up the claim. To quote from the movie Forrest Gump: "Stupid is as stupid does."

Bitter,,, are you really that stupid. Give to God what is God.. Do you pay your taxes? You obey what man tells you but do you give to God what is Gods??? He don't ask for Money he ask for your love.

Taxes for Caesar

13Later the leaders sent some Pharisees and supporters of Herod to trap Jesus into saying something for which he could be arrested. 14"Teacher," they said, "we know how honest you are. You are impartial and don't play favorites. You teach the way of God truthfully. Now tell us�is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not? 15Should we pay them, or shouldn't we?"

Jesus saw through their hypocrisy and said, "Why are you trying to trap me? Show me a Roman coin,c and I'll tell you." 16When they handed it to him, he asked, "Whose picture and title are stamped on it?"

"Caesar's," they replied.

17"Well, then," Jesus said, "give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and give to God what belongs to God."

His reply completely amazed them.

Again I ask, which commandment of God are Christians breaking when they donate to their local Church? Which commandment of God are we breaking when we give gifts to our "kin folk?"

You are the one who posted that these were sins. Surely if what you posted is "TRUTH" you can provide simple Biblical evidence.

Bitter there is Only One teacher ONLY One Master. His name is The Lord God Jesus The Christ. If you loved the Father you would obey him. Because The Father is the One that sent Jesus to speak FOR Him..

And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition

The truth? Was it true when you said there was a COMMANDMENT against giving to the local Church? Was it true when you insinuated that it was somehow sinful for Christians to give gifts to their "kin folk?" Is it true that Jesus taught either of those things?

It is true that neither of those verses you referenced last night back your claims?

Which is more true, Mikey: that you are a victim of your own man made traditions and mistake them for Commandments or that you were caught lying again?

Bitter again I can't help you don't care for TRUTH but JESUS taught we are to obey the LAWS of God. Period. You are a Reprobate worthless to Jesus because you hold onto your Catholic CHRISTIAN TRADITIONS INSTEAD of following Jesus.. You can't have FAITH in Jesus and Christianity. Period.

No man can serve two masters: for either he. will hate the one, and love the other; or else. he will hold to the one, and despise the other.

It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God

How extremely odd. None of the four Biblical references you posted last night at 11:21 has anything to do with donating to one's local Church or giving presents to one's "kin folk." Even more odd, none of the four was a "COMMANDMENT" from Christ. Indeed, none of the four was a commandment of any kind.

What do "Disciples" call a person who says there is a "COMMANDMENT" when there isn't one? What do "Disciples" call a person who condemns people for things that Jesus encouraged and supported?

2 Corinthians 3:3; Ezekiel 11:19; Ezekiel 36:26; Jeremiah 31:33; Hebrews 8:10

3 And you show that you are a letter from Christ delivered by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of uthe living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.1

19 wAnd I will give them one heart, and xa new spirit I will put within them. I will remove the heart of stone from their flesh zand give them a heart of flesh,

26 And I will give you ia new heart, and ia new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.

33 sFor this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: sI will put my law within them, and I will write it ton their hearts. uAnd I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

10 hFor this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel

after those days, declares the Lord:

I will put my laws into their minds,

and iwrite them on their hearts,

and I will be their God,

and they shall be my people.

Bitter Jesus tells you through his teaching what we should do. You can either follow Jesus or religion. You can't do both..

So why do you keep calling me �Lord, Lord!' when you don't do what I say?

"No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money

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Foxnose (view profile)

Posted 9:24 pm, 06/07/2023

Mikey does not use a Bible , he uses a Cult Manual

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Foxnose. I use KJV most times. Only difference is I don't sugar coat nothing. You can't be a Catholic CHRISTIAN and do as Jesus TAUGHT..

Once again you have failed to cite the "COMMANDMENT" that you referred to yesterday. Could it be that there is no "Commandment" that justifies your impotent rage?

Mikey does not use a Bible , he uses a Cult Manual.

Bitter you are free to give freely to anything you want to even paying Satan .

Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.