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Again if you are a Christian you sin against God. CHRISTIANS are against God. Number one on the Commandments when you follow Christianity you make man your god.

Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS

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Still no actual commandments forbidding the things you, Mikey, condemn?

Not one copy and paste of one Bible verse to back up your claims against donations to Churches or gift giving? One would think that a "Disciple" who claims to proclaim the "TRUTH" could find at least one Bible verse that supports his version of the "TRUTH."

hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.

28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity

Bitter. You know the Commandment of God as delivered to The Hebrews.. Do you keep them???? I've told you to OBEY the Lord God Jesus The Christ. You should listen. Sin is transgression against the law of God. So read this carefully.. Do you obey Jesus or follow Catholic CHRISTIAN PAGAN RELIGION? Jesus was sent to save the sinner not the self-righteous.

O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.

36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned

Bitter if you follow the teaching of Jesus you wouldn't be in no Church. Get over yourself. It's All about Jesus and what he taught not traditions of man.

Believe what? You are the one who indicated that there was a "COMMANDMENT" about donating to the local Church. I am simply asking you to cite it.

I think that it was you who said "If you can't prove something Biblical you got to let it go. You religion is false. Let it go." (mhj 10:41pm 5/22/2023 Why do Christians believe that Jesus resurrection was on the FIRST DAY of the week?"

Jesus didn't condemn people for giving to their local temple (Matthew chapter 12) and Jesus didn't condemn people for giving gifts to their "kin folk" (Matthew chapter 7.) It seems that you are the only one condemning, Mikey. Is that what "Disciples" do?

Believe it or not. Your choice

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Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?

18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

19 Thou knowest the commandments
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He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

49 For I have NOT SPOKEN ofY MYSELF; but THE FATHER WHICH SENT ME, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

50 And I know that HIS COMMANDMENT is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

I am still waiting to read that "COMMANDMENT" you were referring to in your earlier post when you declared that Christians should "KEEP THE COMMANDMENT" about donations to the local Church. A simple cut and paste will suffice.

Jesus creates in people a new heart one that accepts the Commandment of God. That Jesus brought to our attention what Sin is. Going against the Commandment The COVENANT of God that Makes Him our God and US His people now that is through the Lord God Jesus The Christ. We are authorized by His teaching to go out into the world and teach what Jesus taught not what Christianity teaches. We are to keep the FAITH in Jesus and you can't do the by being a CATHOLIC CHRISTIAN. Jesus Said it 3 times what we are to do. Even in the Old Testament God explained..
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2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.

3 The Lord made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.

4 The Lord talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,

5 (I stood between the Lord and you at that time, to shew you the word of the Lord: for ye were afraid by reason of the fire, and went not up into the mount;) saying,

6 I am the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
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Jesus taught to love the Lord our God didn't he?
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Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:

5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.

9 And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.

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This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his disciples, after that he was risen from the dead.

15 So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.

16 He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

17 He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

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Jesus knows the heart.. Are you doing all that Jesus gives you to do? Or do you even know what Jesus has planned for you?

Mikey, since you didn't copy and paste anything on topic, am I correct in assuming that there is no "COMMANDMENT" that prohibits anyone from donating to their local Church. I find it odd that in an earlier post (2:01pm 6/6/2023) you digitally screamed that Christians ought to "KEEP THE COMMANDMENT" in a post that is ostensibly against collection plates being used in local Churches then completely failed to provide an example of a commandment forbidding the practice.

At 7:04pm yesterday evening you asked "Did Jesus say to give to the Church or to take care of each other." Pedantically I could argue that Jesus said neither of those things, but He did say for us to love one another like He loved us (John 13:34.) Jesus also commanded us to love our enemies and do good for people who hate us (Matthew 5:44.) Since Jesus did not define "love" one must assume that how best to "love" is left up to the individual with the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

We could trade anecdotal stories about how various Churches spend the donations given them. Some do great things for their local communities and for the world, while others are not as efficient. It can not be argued that Faith Based and Faith Supported Charities are unused.

Your attack on Christmas always leaves me laughing. You asked what I got you for Christmas and I'd have to honestly say, I had no idea that I had gifted you anything, but you are welcome none the less. You seem to have an issue with people giving gifts to their "kin folk" but that is that not more of a personal issue than a religious issue? Did Jesus command that we not give gifts to our "kin folk?" In fact, in Matthew chapter 7 we find that Jesus acknowledged that people gave gifts to their children and did not condemn the practice.

You went on to ask, "Would you still be celebrating if you had to take that same Money and give it to people you don't know?" I assume you were still referring to Christmas in your question, so I will answer it that way. The short answer is "Yes, I would."

Do you feel closer to Christ when you ignore the celebration of His birth? Do you take the money you might spend on gifts for any family you might have then give it to those you do not know?

You also asked "Is that all you getting out of what I post." Honestly, what I get from what you post is the opportunity to search my Bible and find honest answers. Pointing out the errors that you continually post, allows me to research and reaffirm the tenants of my faith.

Hepsibah (view profile)

Posted 7:38 pm, 06/06/2023

We stigmatize h*mosexuals, shame unwed mothers, persecute immigrants, harass the homeless, reduce food benefits for the hungry. How many laws must we pass before we can turn our country around?

What if Christians merely followed the guidance of the Savior? We'd probably focus our laws on things Jesus really cared about: Feed the hungry. Help the needy. Visit the prisoners. Care for the weak.

In other words, love your neighbor as you love yourself
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Heps... h*mosexuality is against Nature and God. Just because the APA condones h*mosexuality it's still against God. Look at Sodom and Gomorrah..

24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment

That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.

21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,

22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:

23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Romans 10:17 KJV

We stigmatize h*mosexuals, shame unwed mothers, persecute immigrants, harass the homeless, reduce food benefits for the hungry. How many laws must we pass before we can turn our country around?

When was Christianity started? Did Jesus create it? No man did After he Died. Read this until you understand that just because man teaches traditions doesn't make it TRUTH

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Bitter. Is that all you getting out of what I post. Did Jesus say to give to the Church or to take care of each other. Didn't Jesus say to love your neighbor? How can you do what Jesus wants you to do if you don't do what he SAYS.. You follow traditions because man tells you to what to do. You jump for holy Days that are PAGAN. Look at Christmas.. what did you get me. give me give me give me, spending hundreds of not thousands on kin folk. Would you still be celebrating if you had to take that same Money and give it to people you don't know? Your Christianity is the antichrist.all those Catholic CHRISTIAN RELIGION Pagan festival.

Would you care to quote the "COMMANDMENT" that Jesus gave telling us not to donate to the local Church?

At 10:25am you posted (correctly) that Jesus never directed us to "pay" anything to the Church. As I have said often, we Christians do not "pay" anything, but we are free to donate as much or as little as we like. In Matthew chapter 12, verses 41 through 44 we see that Jesus did not condemn those who gave to their local temple, in fact he commended them.

Earlier today you posted: "Passing a plate people sees who pays places money in the plate.. because people are TAUGHT traditions to give to the Church.. Greed is what that's about." I'm not sure that "greed" is a word you can use in that sentence. If we agree that there is no set "ticket price" or "tax" to pay for attending Church then "greed" just doesn't cut it. It might be that you were "jealous" when you were watching others donate. Perhaps they had more to give than you, or perhaps they chose to give less than what you thought they should. Either way, your jealousy is a personal issue and so far as I have been able to find there is not a commandment that reads "Thou Shalt Not Make Mikey Jealous When he Is Snooping."

Reject the sins of the world and follow the teaching of Jesus..
KEEP THE COMMANDMENT ..

Then Jesus told his disciples, "If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. 25 For whoever would save his life[a] will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. 26 For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what shall a man give in return for his soul?

he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

Bitter, Jesus No place in his teaching did he even suggest that people pay any Money like Abraham did Melchizedek, unless it's voluntary not shamed into it. Passing a plate people sees who pays places money in the plate.. because people are TAUGHT traditions to give to the Church.. Greed is what that's about.

From your incoherent ramblings, I can not be sure, but I think you are proceeding with the assumption that Christian Churches charge a fee or a tax for attending. If I am wrong about that assumption, please accept my apologies.